Why be a member of IODPA?

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Why be a member of IODPA?

Post by oldandintheway on Wed May 25, 2016 8:58 am

Hello - I am have been a member of PIPIN for a long time. I see that to be a member of IODPA will cost £24pa. I also pay something like that to NARPO and have derived no benefit in the 20 years that I have been a member of that organisation as I don't have a caravan, don't want to rent another members flat in Torrevieja, don't play golf, don't want to catch up with any of my old "chums" and don't want to buy any of the overpriced stuff they're selling - I am Band 3 and, with hindsight, should have been Band 4 as I'm not capable of any form of employment - NARPO have never responded to any of my pleas for help particularly regarding HOC 47/2004. I'm thinking of cancelling NARPO and my £20pm Sky TV among other things as I'm strugglng at the moment and don't want to spend money that I don't have to. I do however believe in "paying my dues" when appropriate. What is the difference between PIPIN and IODPA and why would I want to pay to be in both organisations as, at first sight, they seem to have total overlap? I believe that I'm probably missing the point but I don't know what it is. Help!

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Re: Why be a member of IODPA?

Post by Adversity on Wed May 25, 2016 3:24 pm

Hello

I believe that IODPA are more 'hands on' and active, they encourage contact/support between members, by phone/and in person, as well as on a forum and meet ups. They do seem to be becoming a significant challenge to the pension administrators, and they appear to have legal support.  Basically it appears they are doing what NARPO should have done, but didn't! I am not a member, but I view their web site.

But remember IODPA  started due the big issues with one certain force. PIPIN started because of the HOC 46/2004, and PIPIN sorted that out!  What may have happened is that those of us who retired a long while back, came from a time when you trusted the police to look after you after your retirement, and rarely asked questions. PIPIN started the ball rolling for us, and in general, I imagine, members of PIPIN are from that time, and of a similar mindset.  Things have changed so much, and to be honest, when a recently retired IOD asks questions, I have no idea what they are on about, because I have no idea about current procedures, and struggle to understand some of the terms, (I saw the force doctor who retired me, took me a while to see they are now called SMP's, for instance, and our old personnel department is now called HR!)  It is natural that younger or recently retired people need current information, and they may be of the more modern age, who are comfortable with internet and socialisation.

However.  For people like me, who have PTSD, I would be unable to go to the meetings, or meet other members, or even speak on the phone. It was a big step for me to join PIPIN, because I am rather paranoid, however the fact it was virtually anonymous, with only your email address shared with the administrator, allowed me to take that step. I know that I can post about something on my mind, and although PIPIN will guide me towards an answer, and offer moral support, I can 'control' who may subsequently contact me. PIPIN have people who know their stuff-and it is just reassuring to be able to be involved without being involved too much, if that makes sense! To join IODPA, you have to give details of your force and you name etc, and I believe Facebook is a part of it, and I do not 'do' facebook.

PIPIN has showed me the contempt you are treated with as an IOD by your ex force has not been personal, it is widespread, which at least makes you de-personalise it. I am pleased that IODPA are now challenging things, and as a result, it is only fair that they want a financial contribution for their work.  I think NARPO should be learning from them. PIPIN is free, (although I would happily pay), perhaps because they are currently more of a supportive role than an active role?

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Re: Why be a member of IODPA?

Post by souplesse on Wed May 25, 2016 7:58 pm

adversity has summed it up nicely.  IODPA isn't like narpo.  There's no reduced car insurance premiums or days out.  It's run by a core group of IODs but with a flat structure.  It's expensive running a web server that hosts the website and to having to pay for the licencing for the software that drives it.  The subs also go towards phone expenses and covered the cost for the conference room for the last annual meeting.  The subs is also a screening device to prevent casual infiltration from nosey HR managers and SMPs.

To answer your question 'what to you get?', you further the work to pursue justice for all those with an injury award and you gain the company of like minded proactive individuals.  If that's not enough then then perhaps joining isn't for you, however the members of iodpa will reply to any email queries you may have regarding Iod injustice. Everyone contributes, even the core administrators - they're all literally in it together.

A lot of individuals are hard at work behind the scenes and all at iodpa are in the same boat with a fixed injury pension income who are tired of being abused
.  So basically the subs are a donation to keep things online.  Email [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for a chat.  Use of social media isn't a prerequisite

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Re: Why be a member of IODPA?

Post by oldandintheway on Wed May 25, 2016 8:50 pm

Thanks Adversity and Souplesse for your replies - I too am a PTSD sufferer which scuppers me for most human contact - I really don't want contact with anyone who is, or has been associated with the police. You're right Adversity about PIPIN sorting HOC 47/2004 (until it is re-introduced in another guise as I'm sure it will be) but, if that is the case, it still leaves me with the question, what does IODPA do that PIPIN doesn't?

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Re: Why be a member of IODPA?

Post by souplesse on Fri May 27, 2016 8:07 pm

oldandintheway wrote: what does IODPA do that PIPIN doesn't?

PIPIN and IODPA co-exist.  The same members contribute to both.  I'm as anti-police as anyone due to the things I've suffered, heard of and witnessed that police authorities do to former officers once medically retired.  The acronym of iodpa doesn't contain any reference to 'police' for this reason.  PIPIN has an established presence, gravitas and an open forum (ideal for anonymous and non-sensitive postings) and a news page.  IODPA liaise with PIPIN.  There's a bond between the 2 but there's differences.  The posts on iodpa are lengthly polemics  and  heavily researched, there's a secure members only section, the group actively lobbies.

NAMF don't care if what our acronym is.  The bottom line is we are all sick to death of the unlawfulness.  Unity brings strength but an open thread such as this isn't the place to wax lyrical about the advantages of one over the other.  By doing that any potential weakness  of both are broadcast out to those who just see IODs as pounds and pence.

The more campaigners the better.  There are those who think enough is enough.  You can get involved or not.  Either way PIPIN or IODPA will provide a public platform so you can keep abreast of the current abuses.

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Re: Why be a member of IODPA?

Post by johnnyforeignr on Fri May 27, 2016 10:31 pm

I joined IODPA having found it via PIPIN a few months back. Let me tell you, it is nothing like NARPO...I have learned more in those few months and felt more supported, than I have in almost 20yrs of medical retirement.

I have been to one of their meet-ups, met the industry experts on IOD pensions, and have a one stop resource for every relevant bit of case law available to me. Also present at the meeting were some Pipin representatives, and they too gave input to the meeting, so it doesn't have to be either/or.

The admin team are top notch at what they do, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend IODPA. Like all forums, some members are very active and some just observe. Nothing is forced upon anyone, you dip your toe in the water, or you just observe.

If nothing else, I believe that as much activity as possible by IODPA and PIPIN, letting the Job know that there are informed people, willing to fight for those of us not strong enough to fight for ourselves, can only be a good thing.

By the way, having been a member since 1996, I cancelled my NARPO this month and now only subscribe to IODPA.

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Re: Why be a member of IODPA?

Post by Admin on Sat May 28, 2016 3:42 pm

Pipin was created in response to the onslaught on our IOD pensions about seven years ago. The intention was simply to act as a beacon or rallying point and provide information for our all our IOD colleagues wherever they may be in the world. At that point those affected were mainly IODs of CRA and SRA and opposition was organised by a relatively small liaison group of force represantatives which became ADfPO. Our efforts, individually or collectively, have been very successful.

IODPA is a progression and is bringing together, not only ex officers of CRA and SRA but younger IODs and also serving officers. Anyone who attended the national meeting in February will have seen the merit of IODPA and its value to all IODs as it increases membership and develops strategies to oppose official attempts to erode the injury pensions to which we are entitled.

Pipin will remain free to use, I personally bear the cost of maintainng the website but I also subscribe to IODPA because it is developing into a very effective organisation run by IODs, for IODs. As has been said previously IODPA is doing what Narpo should have been doing for us for so long.

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Re: Why be a member of IODPA?

Post by oldandintheway on Sun May 29, 2016 1:28 pm

OK - I'm convinced - I just joined

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Re: Why be a member of IODPA?

Post by wpcbunty on Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:44 pm

I can't remember when I found PIPIN. It must have been after I fought my farce for my IoD which culminated in 2009.

I paid 30 grand from my own pocket for half cocked solicitors.

My case was nothing like PIPIN. But PIPIN made me realise that the onslaught was not personal but rather endemic.

I no longer felt alone.

And it was through PIPIN that I found Ron Thompson when my farce were playing silly sausages.

I joined IODPA because of my membership here. I still don't know how that happened to be honest but c'est la vie. Very Happy Very Happy

Both organisations are unique but dove tail well together.

For me it is kind of like, I shop at Morrisons, Tesco, Sainsbury, Aldi and Lidl. Each have different items to offer me.


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